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Does all virginia tobacco taste the same?

Discussion in 'Pipe Tobacco' started by JoeSmall, Jun 2, 2013.

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  1. JoeSmall

    JoeSmall Member

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    So I saw someone say VA tobacco tasted piquant ( piquant - having an agreeably pungent taste
    spicy, zesty, savory, savoury
    tasty - pleasing to the sense of taste; "a tasty morsel"), I had to look it up. I'm asking cause when I smoke anything with that taste I seem to get bit. Is there some trick to not getting bit or something? I feel like I'm going slow and I don't get bit with the cb gold (Cavendish I think) or the English or the burley I try.

    Thanks
    Joshiah
     
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  2. ruffinogold

    ruffinogold Ruffinogold-Mayor, I.R.G.E.--At Large. Mayor

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    Some Virginias , like every other style of tobacco , can be bitey . It's a matter of trying some and seeing which ones are good for you . I would recommend OGS or Dunhill Flake .. I just cant see them biting
     
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  3. DeusExMachina

    DeusExMachina Member

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    I don't think all VAs taste the same for a few reasons:

    How the leaf is cured/pressed

    Where the leaf is grown

    What is added to the mix ( ex. Perique, white burley etc. etc,)

    Pick up a tin of GLP's Union Square and SGs Full Virginia flake, and you'll see what I mean.


    All tobacco has the potential to bite imo, sometimes the sweeter ones get me though. Maybe try a more bare bones VA like Union Square?
    Who knows, maybe VAs aren't your thing!
     
  4. cobbsmoker

    cobbsmoker Active Member

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    McClelland #5100 "Red Cake" would be a good place to start for a Virginia tobacco, it's light, sweet, mild and very user friendly.
     
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  5. User4408

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    On average, Virginia has less nicotine than burley. So there's a tendency to puff harder on Virginia in search of the hit. It takes discipline to resist that urge at the beginning, until you develop the habit of sipping the tobacco using a sort of gentle bellows puffing. That way, you let the flavor come to you rather than chasing after it. And when the flavor does finally arrive, it's delicious! Much more of a palate pleaser than burley.

    The trick with Virginia is: never puff hard. Even when lighting up.

    And not all Virginia tobaccos taste the same. The stronger ones are much cooler and have an added dimension of nuttiness similar to burley, but smooth like buttered toast. And they can contain up to 8.5% nicotine, whereas a strong burley has only 5%.
     
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  6. LutzSpearo

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    What would you recommend for a similarly sweet VA, but of medium flavor and nic strength?
     
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  7. cobbsmoker

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    McClelland Brindle Flake.
     
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  8. Snake

    Snake permanent ankle biter

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    GH also has some
    phenomenal Virginia
    blends. Never experienced
    any bite with these, and
    I smoke them all the time.
     
  9. dmkerr

    dmkerr PG- free since '83! Moderator

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    Bingo. Virginia leaf comes in lemon, orange and red. There's also lemon-orange and orange-red. But not even all reds or all lemons taste the same. It depends on how the tobacco is cured and processed. Reds (and oranges and lemons) share common characteristics but certainly do not taste the same.
     
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  10. oldworldpipes

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    I would try some Red Cake as mentioned above. Mclelland's 5100 Red Cake. I could not get this straight virginia to bite if I tried. It is not an "in your face" flavor but it has this subtle sweetness that is outstanding. Smells like ketchup though.
     
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  11. Old Ted

    Old Ted Active Member

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    Virginias have a different taste according to which side of the Atlantic ocean they are bought. In US a lot of VA is flavoured with barbecue sauce, whereas in the UK it is flavoured with soap and flowers...(apparantly):ohyh:
    OT
     
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  12. Tate

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    I never thought of it that way... But you know, thats about the long and short of it. The US sauces it and the UK washes it.
     
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  13. cigrmaster

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    I would go with Dunhill Flake as a good intro into Virginia's. I myself cannot smoke blends with much if any Red Virginia's as they bite the crap out of me. I have a body chemistry issue with those and while I did love the flavors, the pain was not worth it. I smoke Va, Vaper and Vabur flakes exclusively and have 25 different blends in my rotation that are all no bite.
     
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  14. LifeOfRiley

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    If bite's a concern, then you might want to avoid MacBaren Va #1. It has a pleasant, sweet flavor, but it can come at you like an irritated rattlesnake.
     
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  15. MakDragon

    MakDragon Illegitimi non carborundum

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    There's a scene in the movie Gettysburg where General Longstreet remarks about Virginia tobacco being the finest in the land. As a relatively palate deprived pipesmoker delving into experimental search mode, I will try these suggestions as well. As will I be sipping better!
    Thanks!
     
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  16. TWolf

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    Yeah but ketchup or vinegar based? Kansas City, Carolina, Texas...? :)
     
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  17. Mington

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    With or without floral soap?:byg:
     
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  18. Snake

    Snake permanent ankle biter

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    both. :ohyh:
     
  19. SidStavros

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    I don't like Virginia,some times is like haystack with onion sometimes like fresh cut grass.No matter how i have tried in bent-straight briar-meer-gourd-cob-oak pipe never worked well. Some young "experts" here in Greek pipe forum say: "you MUST smoke virginia ONLY in a straight No filter pipe".
    Did anybody read that in a pipe manufacturer page? Did any pipe maker suggest that below a picture of his product? Who invented that theory? Where are the evidence to support that?
     
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  20. User4408

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    Also here in America we have all sorts of people saying you MUST do all sorts of things. Usually they're trying to sell something. Or set themselves up as authorities so that they can sell something to you later. Our usual defense is to just ignore them, which might serve well in your case too. Unless a person provides sound reasons for their advice, there's little motivation to pay attention to them.

    I've known people who smoked nothing but burley all their life. In the US alone there have probably been millions of them. And they seemed to do just fine. It's difficult to understand where this MUST comes from.

    I happen to like Virginias, and they build a fantastic hard cake which is flavor neutral. But even a cake is optional when it comes to pipe smoking. Lots of smokers now go without them. So it's impossible to see why Virginia tobacco would ever be a MUST.
     
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