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Identification of estate pipe

Discussion in 'Pipes' started by PendragonUK, Mar 2, 2011.

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  1. PendragonUK

    PendragonUK Member

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    I have been looking at eBay again... Long before I started smoking a pipe I have been buying and selling things on eBay. Nothing major but I like spotting odd things. Auctions where the seller isn't great at presentation or has miss described an item.

    This auction was for a pipe and pouch, to be honest the picture was terrible and the description didn't do it justices.

    I took a punt and bid a few pounds, I got it for the princely sum of £2.20 + £3.00 P+P so for a little over a fiver I now have a very nice looking pocket pipe and pouch.

    I would like some info from anyone that recognises the make and model, I always like to know more about what I own...

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  2. dmkerr

    dmkerr PG- free since '83! Moderator

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    It appears to be well-made but I have no idea who made it. There are probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of non-marqued pipes in the world. France, of course, is where St Claude is located, the birthplace of the briar pipe - or at least the first major production site.

    From the lines, if I had to guess, I'd say it came from the Comoy factory. Nice bulldog. Without a close up look, I don't know why it wasn't branded Comoy. Back in the 1960's and before, Comoy was about as picky about their briar as Dunhill. Even one tiny flaw and it couldn't have the Comoy name.
    Most flaws are cosmetic and don't affect smoking quality, so it should be a good smoker. Really nice lines on that pipe! I think you got a steal for the price you paid! :thumbsu:
     
  3. Old Ted

    Old Ted Active Member

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    After going half way down your list of pictures - I'm no wiser than you!...could be anything! - but enjoy! :dunno: :thumb:
     
  4. yinyang

    yinyang Some rim charring is to be expected.

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    What does it have stamped above 'Made in France'? I can't tell from the picture.
     
  5. Strongirish

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    I can't tell either, a pretty traditional bulldog. I love the old pouch though. Looks well used and loved.
     
  6. PendragonUK

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    The writing, (in English) "Real Briar" in italic, then underneath in upper-case "MADE IN FRANCE"

    The mouthpiece looks to be a natural material, horn of some type. it appears light in colour or was once and of a fibrous close grain.
     
  7. Mister Moo

    Mister Moo Normal Cow Moderator

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    So, it's definitely a very good looking slightly beat traditional bulldog made in France by nobody knows for sure with an unusual stem and tenon. I like it a lot. Cleaned up or refinished it oughta be quite nice.

    One thing - it appears to have a crack in the right/underside of the shank originating at the mortise (img848). Cracks don't usually get better and, as often as not, result from improperly installing/removing the stem. Do you already know this stuff about tight/loose tenons and clockwise twisting and all that, Pen? Anyhow, it looks like a candidate for a silver fitting on the shank. I leave further analysis of this to Sasquatch.
     
  8. PendragonUK

    PendragonUK Member

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    I have noticed the crack there is also one on the mouthpiece too. I'm sure it's not going to be heavily used. It smokes well but I intend to treat it with some care. I find it a bit too short for my liking. I hope to get several more pipes in time and this is just one. It's a nice looking pipe and feels nice in the hand, it's quite tactile. However I'm very fond of my Falcon's and think of them as my day to day to day pipes. I would like to get some more bowls for the falcon stems I have already.

    However much fun I have with the pipes I'm still testing out different tobaccos to discover what I like the most. I find my Falcon's are still my current fav.
     
  9. Bri2k

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    That's a nice looking bulldog and I'd say you did well. Anytime I pick up a decent smoker for $20 or less, I feel like I got a deal. Banding it would be a great idea. Not only might it strengthen the pipe and keep that crack from getting worse, but it would certainly make it unique! I haven't seen many banded bulldogs around. May you enjoy it in the best of health!
     
  10. Dutchking22

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    I, too like the pouch and figure it being a bulldog
     
  11. Falconeer

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    Hi,

    It's as has been said a nice looking very traditional Bulldog in the London style. I've enlarged the picture but still cannot make out the writing above the "made in France" stamp - I'd guess it as either "Reliabilty" or "Real Quality" - the appears to be a "Y" with an ornate descender.

    I have had to do this before with obscure or worn lettering - could I suggest putting tracing paper over this lettering and rubbing over with a soft pencil - this should help.

    I don't think its just a French Basket pipe - that's not a varnished finish, it's an old style patinated polish job. I'd guess its 60s/70s pipe. At that time basket pipes for the British market were mainly being knocked out in Italy so as its from France it's of better quality. Could have been made for tobacconists, but again the finish seems too good for that.

    It speaks of old school quality - I would actually have it banded in silver - bands on Bulldogs look good - Petersons put out a silver banded Bulldog.

    Please keep us up to date,

    Gerry
     
  12. t-bear

    t-bear Well-Known Member

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    A very nice old dog Pen...well worth banding to preserve the shank...and they just look nice.
    Here are two of my banded dogs:
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    ...and this one in meerschaum:
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    Nice, huh?
     
  13. PendragonUK

    PendragonUK Member

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    How would one go about banding a pipe?
     
  14. Strongirish

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    Unless you know what your doing, you will need to have it banded by an expert. I recommend Floyd Norwood or Dr Dave at Walker Briar works.
     
  15. t-bear

    t-bear Well-Known Member

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    Took the words right out'a my mouth! No experience with Dave, but his rep is golden. Floyd has done two meers for me, both are absolutely stellar. He works in nickle, gold and silver...prices are rock bottom and his turn-around is surprisingly quick.
    HERE is his "repair" page.....
     
  16. PendragonUK

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    Thank you gentleman, Looks like shipping from the UK will be greater than the repair! I will be sending some emails in time...
     
  17. t-bear

    t-bear Well-Known Member

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    I just sent a pipe to England...shipping was right at $7.00. Thing is, if this pipe smokes well, it's a smart investment in something that will give you much pleasure for years to come. Think of it as an investment in enjoyment. 10-15 years from now you will have more than recouped your outlay today.
     
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