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Interesting Lesson Courtesy of Dunhill Nightcap

Discussion in 'Pipe Tobacco' started by User3940, Feb 6, 2013.

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  1. User3940

    User3940 Active Member

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    So I opened my new tin of Nightcap today which I bought because everyone gives it such high praise. Smoked it like I smoke all my tobacco and occasionally inhale. Not often, but I do like to do that sometimes. Good Gosh Almighty. My head is till buzzing and may continue that way for the rest of the day.

    Nightcap? Do people really smoke that before bedtime? How the heck do they sleep?

    Lesson learned. Do not, under any circumstance, inhale Nightcap. I think I'll keep it in the humidor for those times when I need a big nic hit.
     
  2. buistd

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    It happens to everyone at some point. Sometimes more times than one would care to remember. First time for me was with GH Sweet Rum Twist - definitely not a tobacco for a beginner relying on heavy puffing to keep a pipe lit. Old Joe Krantz has sent me a little sideways before, as have SG 1792 and surprisingly Best Brown #2. New year's eve a couple of years ago I decided to smoke two cigars back to back, the second being a large Bolivar. All I can say is, it is lucky we didn't arrive home a minute later, otherwise the technicolor yawn would have been all over the inside of the car rather than at the foot of the nearest tree!
     
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  3. User3940

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    "Technicolor yawn" :haha::xd::rofl::laff:
     
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  4. noodle

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    It makes me feel quite sleepy.
    Is it a big nic hitter then?
     
  5. Summit

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    Had the same experience with Peterson Irish Flake. Tasty though .
     
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  6. DaveyBoy

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    Heard that is a tough one
     
  7. Tate

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    Irish flake is pretty serious, but it an awesome night cap as far as flavor goes. It will hit your taste buds even if you've smoked 20 bowls already.

    I've said it elsewhere but will repeat here: Nicotine is metabolized by insulin. If you get to the point of nausea or suffer from an OD on it, you can offset that by eating something high in sugar. Preferably plain old white refined sugar. "A spoonful of sugar." This will immediately up the insulin production in your body and will increase the rate at which it is removed from the system. 10 minutes after sugar you'll start feeling better. Smoking with a glass of sweet tea does well for it too.
     
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  8. noodle

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    i like the irish flake as well. i didnt think it was high in nicoteine as i usually want a cig not too long afterwards.
     
  9. noodle

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    that explains a lot i drink a fair bit of sweet tea
    and thank you for that ive learned something today.
     
  10. D-Pap

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    C&D Billy Bud put me down. Half a bowl had my head spinning.
     
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  11. DaveyBoy

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    That's another one I've heard that about.
    After a really bad experience I have been scared off trying anything that has a reputation for high vitamin N

    I've heard that Dark Chocolate is a good counter measure as well
     
  12. Taco

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    I'm very interested in this idea. However, as far as I can tell insulin is not an enzyme, and therefore doesn't directly metabolize nicotine or anything else. According to wikipedia:
    "Nicotine is metabolized in the liver by cytochrome P450 enzymes (mostlyCYP2A6, and also by CYP2B6). "

    I wonder if p450 activity is linked to insulin. Anyone have any further info on this?
     
  13. DaveyBoy

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    Read an article a while back, might have even been written by Russ O. about the subject which is where I heard about the dark chocolate
     
  14. D-Pap

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    I can't remember if I had eaten anything prior to that bowl or not. I remember just breaking into a sweat then I stood up and the world started to spin. From then on I always have sweet tea or a coke any time I smoke, but I also stay away from nic bomb tobaccos.
     
  15. JRobert

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    Not exactly a canonical source, but: http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/nicotine
    A little bit more technical, if you're really interested: http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/33/2/258.full
    And this paper, which indicates insulin down-regulates (reduces) P450 activity in rats: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7700245

    What did we do before google?
     
  16. Tate

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    Interesting, maybe I was told wrong. However, if you try it, it does seem to work. Perhaps placebo effect, although others also swear by it.
     
  17. Taco

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    Great info! However from our combined posts we have these two pieces of information:
    1. Nicotine is metabolized in the liver by cytochrome P450 enzymes
    2. Sugar intake causes insulin release
    3. Insulin down-regulates (reduces) P450 activity in rats

    Taken together these suggests that taking sugar, which results in insulin release, would reduce the activity of CP450 enzymes and therefore slow the metabolism of nicotine -- not speed it up.

    This would suggest that sugar would prolong the effects of a nicotine buzz. Clearly there is more at play here that we don't understand.
     
  18. Taco

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    Well I'm all for giving it a try. Maybe I can go back to Billy Bud and use the sugar to offset the crazy nic hit i get from that tobacco.
     
  19. Hawkwood

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    All I know is that I can get a nicotine buzz on an empty stomach but never after having eaten.
     
  20. Eddie

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    Ive no basis for this, but is the nausia caused by a metabolite of nicotine? This could explain the above.
     
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