In praise of OTC tobys

Discussion in 'Pipe Tobacco' started by Out of Town, Aug 29, 2011.

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  1. Out of Town

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    All though i've not been a full time pipe smoker for very long( after years of occaisional puffing) i am coming down in favour of flakes.... and due to the lack of decent toby shops in my area and distinct lack of funds to stock up on line , i've been limited to the stock of my only semi specialist shop ... and i'm working my way along the shelves.
    Many of you will not have the otc's available to you that we have, just as many of yours are not easily available to us....
    My old understanding of toby's was very limited... i used to think flakes and ready rubbed/ mixtures of one brand was all the same stuff..... wrong!
    Toby's i had tried and dismissed in ready rubbed/mixture form are now revealing new tastes and flavours , not to mention pleasures, i previously didn't understand.
    In no particular order i now have a choice of enjoyable smoking flakes , 1 mile from my door...
    Condor long cut (flake)
    Erinmore flake
    Players Navy cut (flake)
    St Bruno flake
    Ogdens Walnut flake
    All the above are ( to me) a good long lasting smoke , they still lack the elusive taste that i seek... i get it from most of them in small doses, but i crave more !.....

    I find that a simple fold and stuff works best for me , though i keep trying other ways i find no real gain in doing so.
    Erinmore is a bit sharp or citrusy for my tastes, but good for a change.... but the others are pretty reliable in giving a good simple smoke.

    Just had a nice long walk in the woods with my dogs, the sun is shining , and the Condor with black coffee is good...
    Lazy day today ( Bank holiday in UK ) and many more bowls to smoke.....

    Of the ones i've mentioned , have any of you guys over the water had the pleasure of trying them?

    Dave
     
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  2. Old Ted

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    .....have they ever!!.....and most would trade their sister - to get more!:byg:
     
  3. dmkerr

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    St Bruno is one of my favorite smokes. I'm out of the flake but I have several pouches of the long cut in my cellar. Looks like it's time to open one!

    Still haven't tried Walnut Flake but I've heard it's a good one. You can keep the Erinmore and Condor. :D
     
  4. Out of Town

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    St Bruno flake is my 'normal ' choice, with the rest being the the alternative and all the other makes out there 'the experiments'.....
    Shame you don't like Condor, but i don't like alot of the Peterson range or any of the aros that my shop sells.... but if you don't like it, so be it.... it's down to personal tastes after all and with thousands more brands to try ...........
    Erinmore is a tad to bright or citrusy for me, but nice as a change...
    Walnut is good, but again may not be to your taste...
    I'm just glad i can find some good toby near me that i like.... can't wait 'till i get to sample some of the others that are out there.

    Dave
     
  5. ruralhipster

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    Erinmore flake is widely available at better tobacconists through most of North America, and a personal favorite. St Bruno used to be available at tobacconists here in Canada at one time I'm not really sure when it disappeared.
     
  6. Old Ted

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    St.Bruno is only available as flake or ready rubbed, but Condor comes as "Long Cut", RR, or a 'mild' version.:th1: OT
     
  7. ruffinogold

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    I was gifted the other day [ ^ ] w/ Ogdens St. Bruno & Walnut as well as Condor long cut and Players whiskey . To my " American " taste , St. Bruno is kinda strange . Whiskey is fantastic and the Walnut is just off the map! I'm not sure what the flavor is in the Walnut blend ... Walnut I guess ? I seem to taste a little Tonquin in there ... I'm not sure what it is really but damn it ... Its killer stuff . I havent got to the Condor Long Cut yet . I'm wondering if it's gonna taste different from the other Condors ? You also have Mick McQuaid OTC . I love that stuff . Sometimes people will mention that Three Nuns [:nwor: ] is in a pouch over there OTC . That kills me being I like that blend best of all ... and to think it's a pouch at some store down the road for you guys .. :doh: . I'd say you guys got it made w/ yer OTC's ... the only downer is your Government sucks more than ours in regard to tobacco tax .... but no worries .. we'll catch up any day .You guys are some lucky S.O.B. s . Thanks again Old Ted
     
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    I have tried and loved all but the Players. I just LOVE Condor. Whenever I go overseas, I buy all they will let me bring back. You have great OTC tobaccos over there that most of us would kill for. Why they don't import them here is beyond me, they would sell a ton of it.
     
  9. shadow

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    You're right there! OTCs are OK over here.....shame about the tax:dh1:!!! That's why many of us buy tobacco overseas, i.e. Belgium, France, Germany etc...
    It's madness!!!! The toby is made in the UK, then shipped abroad and finally brought back!!!!!!
     
  10. Old Ted

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    Not wishing to 'rub it in' - but I (and a lot of others) am still in the fortunate position of having three or four specialist tobacconists within an hour or so's drive, that carry the brands mentioned and a few more - plus the full G&H and SG range, both tinned and bulk (or 'loose' as we usually call it when from the jar). Up to a couple of years ago, a ten minute walk into town would have got me any of them.......that shop now just sells sweets (candy!) to the kids!:(
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    ruffinogold Ruffinogold-Mayor, I.R.G.E.--At Large. Mayor

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    Sounds nice OT ! All the blends we're talkin about here were available in the states in the not to distant past .I really dont know why they stoped importing here . I can understand an American guy who'd smoked say PA for 20 years and then saw St. Bruno next to it on the rack and thought .. hell ,I'll try that ... he would be in for a shock . By far , I dont think the Americans consider floral / perfume something to be in tobacco [ if thats what it even is ? ]. Some people here [ PSF ] dig it ... but in general it's a totally different animal to the American market . But back in the day I smoked McQuaid and in my mind it was a regular . But that was in New Jersey back in the 1980's . All the Brit stuff is gone ... and even the Amphora blends [ denmark I think ] . I used to smoke the regular [ brown ] . Hey , at least we've got our Middletons stuff . It's different than the brit stuff for sure ... but it's everywhere and cheap and I cant imagine not having Cherry blend around .If that one splits ... it'll be a heart breaker .
     
  12. Old Ted

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    I'm with you John! - got to say I approached that one with caution, as I have always said "I don't like aros!" but was very pleasantly surprised, and the SWR aro is good too!.....now if I can just get my supermarket to stock some Carter Hall!....:)
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  13. RTOdhner

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    Are MacB or Stokkebeye tobies consider OTCs over across the pond?
     
  14. Old Ted

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    Not really Roy, a few are a available at the specialist tobacconists - more Stokkebye than McB.. On a personal note FWIW - the few McB blends that I have tried (mainly at airport shops) have left a poor impression
    and no desire for more.
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  15. Out of Town

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    I guess i'm lucky then that i still have the one half decent shop close to me...... in the last few years ( ok 20 years) at least 3 good tobacconists within 5 miles have closed down... the traditional newsagent shops only carries a few token packs if at all , the same goes for the supermarkets ... though they normally carry a few more choices, it is still pitiful.
    Three nuns is on the shelf as is McQuaid's..... might try them next.

    The Uk's tax on toby really sucks, but then we get stuffed at every oppotunity by our goverment anyway, so i suppose it's no great shock..... anyway France is close to me , so when funds allow i shall take advantage of the lower duty on it over there , and buy as much as i am allowed for my own personal use.

    I expect that the Condor smell/taste is more easily accepted by us because we grew up around people smoking the stuff... i don't taste perfume , floral etc.... but that may just be me and my old abused palate:old:
    The ones i have most trouble smoking are normally the aro's.... most popular and least liked by me is Clan.

    I'll stick with my local bought OTC's for the moment.... and count myself lucky that i have some good flakes on my doorstep....... the rest of the worlds offerings will have to wait.
    I personally think that it doesen't matter what you smoke or like .... as long as you enjoy it and it gives you pleasure, the fact that one person rates it and another despises it , is of no real concern at the end of the day.... just enjoy your choice as you smoke it:bing:

    Dave
     
  16. RTOdhner

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    I've heard many a baccy snob decry OTC's as trash tobies, even though said tobies may have been around longer than most of us. OTC's like Condor or Carter Hall have been around since Moby Dick was a guppy for one simple reason - they're very good. Maybe not if you expect an experience akin to nekked bungee jumpring on every bowl, but definitely so if all you want is a satisfying pipe. Granted, I like the occassional nekked bungee jump, but mostly I just want a relaxing smoke and I don't want to go broke getting it. A good cup of coffe or glass of iced trea, some OTC toby, and a cob (or whatever type of pipe you like) are some of life's simple pleasures.
     
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    I think the brits have an advantage in their OTCs because the European blending houses don't soak their baccy in gosh-awful humectants the way the American OTC blenders do. I would like to try some of the British OTCs.
     
  18. 1stGenRex

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    Carter hall is not bad. Not one of my favs just yet, but I will always keep some around. Why you may ask? I found it has an incredible ability to build up a cake faster than any of the other tobies I have on hand.
     
  19. Old Ted

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    .....and that's a prime consideration - in your smoking routine??:msty:
     
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    Considering I'm fairly new to pipe smoking, and I'm still acquiring new pipes (some even brand new, not just new to me), I would say that it's a consideration in my routine. Maybe not a PRIME consideration though, but it certainly does fit the consideration criteria ;)

    I said it's not one of my favorites, but honestly, I've tried less than 10 blends in my short time smoking. I'm still trying to sort out what I like.
     
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