Discussion in 'Pipe Tobacco' started by WillH, May 11, 2011.
Doesn't Orlick blend and tin Escudo now?
Subjective stuff, Mark. I have cellered tins date-coded from '05 to '10 right now (anything I had older is smoked and gone); I just smoked tins of '09 and '10 side by side just to compare and had an '05 a month or two back. I like it fresh just fine and a little aged, a little more. It certainly doesn't get worse over time but I wouldn't say it goes from "nice' to "awesome" over a few years, either.
Looking back a little further I can't see any real quality difference since AC Peterson came off the label and PStokkebye went on. tr.com says Cope sold the line to Gallagher (1936) and Gallagher passed it to Peterson (1994). I never had the pleasure of the first two iterations to see what changed over the long haul. My window on Escudo is pretty short, '04 to present.
I'm not real sure who is blending Escudo these days.
On the tin it just says, "made in Denmark for....
". No mention of who's doing the actual blending and processing.
Juggernaut tobacco company Scandinavian Tobacco Group (STG) bought juggernaut Swedish Match in 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Tobacco_Company.
Escudo tin front names STG/Denmark explained here; http://www.st-group.com/group companies/scandinavian tobacco group denmark
STG "makes" Escudo for Peter Stokkebye, explained here: http://www.peterstokkebye.com/ Peter Stokkebye describes one brand they may own, make or distribute (Escudo) here: http://www.peterstokkebye.com/pipe_escudo.htm
STG also owns Orlik, a tobacco processor (among other things): http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=5852090
STK owns the name Escudo in the USA since 2006, filed in 2004, according to: http://www.trademarkia.com/escudo-78474633.html
Since Davidoff, Dunhill and Stokkebye Luxury coins look exactly like Escudo and since they come from Orlik processing I would suppose Escudo is also processed by Orlik. I dunno who makes what. What do you think?
Great information! Thanks! I knew most of what you posted. I must say that after I tried 'Luxury Coins' and one other (can't remember the blend), that they were not the same as Escudo! IMO. I was hoping to find a bulk Escudo. Didn't work.
I guess I bought my first tin of Escudo in '94' during a trip to Atlanta, GA. Discovered a smoke shop there and bought a tin. The search was on after that and I've been smoking the blend ever sense. I TRY to age Escudo for a least two years. It's tough to do!
On the other hand, PS shows a goodly bit about their own processing/manufacturing operations at: http://www.peterstokkebye.com/pipe_manuf.htm#ready
This is nearly as complicated as figuring out what "Dunhill" means.
I have a bit of a rapport with the young gent who works at the local B&M, who gave me the inside tip on some escudo that has been around for awhile (2009ish). I wasn't sure about the virginias at first having tried SG FVF and escudo (a VaPer I know) so I set them aside for a week or so and just came back to them in the last couple of nights. WOW, amazing how tobbaco will strike you different the second time around. Needless to say I'm off to the store today to snatch up the other tins for my cellar!
I will give it another try fresh and then wait for the others to age. I do like PSLBF.
I love this site......
Thanks for posting this Will. I've got a tin of Escudo aging away. I had a hunch some time would do good things to it!
I've 30 tins: 6 three years old, 12 two years old and 12 one year last month. I try to smoke the oldest tins. I limit myself to tin a month. I try, not always successful. I get curious at times and want see how new tins are doing. Not good I know! At this point there isn't enough tins to experiment with.
Aside: I just opened a tin of Dunhill's Royal Yacht! Two bowl today and gotta say it ain't too bad at all - I'm liking it just fine! Choices, life is all about choices!
...Sounds like a great little tin of Escudo Will. Guess if I'd hung on to mine which I'd PIF'd a couple of years back, I would be sampling the same. Getting ready to make a baccy purchase soon and will include a tin of this!
It's okay fresh, but give it a year or two and it is outstanding! Good Luck! Enjoy!
I smoked Escudo for the fist time a couple days ago. Needless to say I placed an order to cellar some! Definately an excellent Va/per.