Simple cellaring to get started

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browny

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#22
That link was great cheers afiaowo.
I too am just about to start cellaring, I have 6 small foam coolers (each fit 8 - 260ml preserve jars just nicely) plus I can get atleast 3-4 coolers each month so that part I'm set. My plan is similar to yours and I actually plan to store my tins as they are but also inside a 'sistema' style container just incase. I only wish we could get the bulk at the prices you guys an gals in the US get.

Good luck with your cellar and remember that tobacco like everything in life will only get more expensive, get what you like as often as you can.
 

#23
Yep, there are several strategies for cellaring, and you can choose any one or all combined. Are you aging tobacco for improved flavor? Stocking up at today's prices to hedge against inflation or taxes? Stocking up to make sure you have a favorite blend that may not be around 5 or 10 years from now? All are valid, and can influence how you cellar. I'm in the all of the above category.

I try to buy in bulk, depending on how crazy I am about a blend. I don't buy anything that doesn't rate at least an 8 on my 1 - 10 scale for cellaring. Blends I'm super fond of, like Dan Tobacco's Hamborger Veermaster, or Samuel Gawith Best Brown Flake I buy in 1 lb boxes or bags. Its a lot cheaper than purchasing buy the tin, and jars are cheap too. Boxes, bags, ziplocks, plasticware, etc is not acceptable long term storage, so jars it is. There have also been issues with square tins loosing their seal or cardboard tins rusting or even developing pin hole leaks. If I'm going to buy 20 tins of Samuel Gawith Golden Glow because I can't find bulk for an extended period, I'm not leaving that much $$ in tobacco to chance, especially when jars are so cheap. Round tins, I'll put in jars if I have them, but don't get in a big hurry. I'm pretty confident in the long term storage ability of the round tins, but again, for really long term, they can rust or loose their seal. Nothing beats the long term storage ability of a mason jar.

Example- Stonehaven only comes in bags, so gets the jar treatment:




BTW, I live in Texas too, but have a basement, haha. I don't keep my tobacco in the basement, though, that's where the kid's bedrooms are. My storage is upstairs in my home office. :bing:
Drool, that's some nice toby right there.
 

#24
Just a thought (take or leave kinda thought)...
If this was wine; would you open the bottle, pour it into (much smaller) individual serving-sized containments, place them in your cellar (regardless of cellar controls or perfections) and have reasonable expect ions that the results would be stellar ???
Further... Of course you can buy a very average wine in bulk casks. With few exceptions, that wine is meant for purchase and consumption. Not for long-term improvement and storage in a cellar.
I'm just TOL (thinking out loud)
 

KleinToit

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Just a thought (take or leave kinda thought)...
If this was wine; would you open the bottle, pour it into (much smaller) individual serving-sized containments, place them in your cellar (regardless of cellar controls or perfections) and have reasonable expect ions that the results would be stellar ???
Further... Of course you can buy a very average wine in bulk casks. With few exceptions, that wine is meant for purchase and consumption. Not for long-term improvement and storage in a cellar.
I'm just TOL (thinking out loud)
I thought about that but the serving size is different... One bottle of wine is finished in one sitting after you open it, 8oz of tobacco on the other hand is not.
If one would like to compare it directly it would have to be a 10 gallon bottle of wine, you open that and it will spoil long before you could finish it. I've cellared some of my regular smokes in 8oz sizes, when I open that it will go into the bail jars with the rubber gaskets, that will keep it 'fresh' for long enough for me to get through it. On the other hand I have done some testing and a lot of reading, and will in future only cellar in 2oz quantities, if its good enough for GL Pease its good enough for me. The only reason that I can see to cellar in bigger jars is that the cost of the jar 'could' make a difference, but again, I see that as the 'insurance' premium that I pay not to lose 8oz of tobacco in one jar to mold or a busted seal. Smaller jars seem to be the 'safer' choice...
 

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Just a thought (take or leave kinda thought)...
If this was wine; would you open the bottle, pour it into (much smaller) individual serving-sized containments, place them in your cellar (regardless of cellar controls or perfections) and have reasonable expect ions that the results would be stellar ???
Luckily for us tobacco is not wine.
 

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BradNTX

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Just a thought (take or leave kinda thought)...
If this was wine; would you open the bottle, pour it into (much smaller) individual serving-sized containments, place them in your cellar (regardless of cellar controls or perfections) and have reasonable expect ions that the results would be stellar ???
Further... Of course you can buy a very average wine in bulk casks. With few exceptions, that wine is meant for purchase and consumption. Not for long-term improvement and storage in a cellar.
I'm just TOL (thinking out loud)
Haha, if you equate a barrel of wine to a pound of tobacco, you might have a closer comparison. Yes, in that instance, I would pour the wine from the barrel and put in a bottle with a water tight cork.

Also, if tobacco was sold in mason jars to start, I wouldn't move it to another container; point being wine already comes in the best known container for that product - tobacco does not. ;)
 

Jwb

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Go with jars that hold about a tins worth of toebacky, like the fellas said you can open one and have a bout a tins worth of smoking while the others continue to age with out interruption...
I use 4 oz jars. I have tobacco ADD. The 4oz jars let me smoke smaller amounts at a tine.
 

#29
I was going to start cellaring, but avoid jars for 2014, storing in tins.

Then I got some bulk tobaccos in 2oz and 4oz bags in the mail, amongst some tins (and more on the way). How to store over the short term? After the discussion here: a trip to Walmart to get 8oz jars, and they do indeed store about 2oz each of loosely settled ribbon / ready rubbed tobacco. I also transferred a 100g tin into two jars.

So now, still in January, no cellaring yet, but I do have jars. Funny how things work out.
 

#30
I use 4 oz jars. I have tobacco ADD. The 4oz jars let me smoke smaller amounts at a tine.
I can't even get my hand in the 8oz jars. I'm using empty (well-washed) 50g / 2oz tins to serve as containers for tobacco being consumed.

I'm thinking about getting paper coffee filters to put in the used tins before transferring tobacco into them.
 

SouthBound

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I can't even get my hand in the 8oz jars. I'm using empty (well-washed) 50g / 2oz tins to serve as containers for tobacco being consumed.

I'm thinking about getting paper coffee filters to put in the used tins before transferring tobacco into them.
I can't get my hand in the 4oz jars, either. Getting the tobacco crammed in is not problem. When getting it out, I just use the two-finger scrape-scratch-swirl method (patent pending). I scratch enough loose to fill a pipe, then dump it onto a cheap-o paper plate (easy to bend). When I get my pipe filled, I just bend the plate and dump the rest back into the jar.
 

#33
I found these unique Ball "Collection Elite" 8oz canning jars at Walmart and Target. They are expensive to use for cellaring, but are a clear :) upgrade from re-using tins for the blends I have out to smoke. Sharpie writing on the lids stays on. They are wide enough I can get fingers in, pipe in, and load over the open jar with little to no clean-up (3"-3.5" wide). An 8oz Kerr / Mason jar also makes a good pipe cleaner holder - it will hold 100 where they're easy to get to.
 

#34
I found these unique Ball "Collection Elite" 8oz canning jars at Walmart and Target. They are expensive to use for cellaring, but are a clear :) upgrade from re-using tins for the blends I have out to smoke. Sharpie writing on the lids stays on. They are wide enough I can get fingers in, pipe in, and load over the open jar with little to no clean-up (3"-3.5" wide). An 8oz Kerr / Mason jar also makes a good pipe cleaner holder - it will hold 100 where they're easy to get to.
something else to think about, write on a piece of masking tape whats in the jar, unless you plan on using the the exact same jar for the same blends
 

RTOdhner

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I like the benefits of jars over vacuum bags because you can open a 16 or 32 oz jar, fill a baby food or 8 oz jar for current smoking, and close the big jar back up.
This is a point that often gets overlooked. I like "common" blends such as SWR or MacB Burley London Blend (or Golden Extra, or Scottish Mixture, or Symphony) as my everyday work horse blends. When it comes to actually smoking them, I like to mix it up and smoke a pouch of SWR and then a little MacB whatever blend. I can pull a jar of MacB out of the cellar, put a little in my tobacco pouch, then reseal the jar and put it in the cabinet below the end table that I use as a smoking station. I'll get bored with that MacB blend, and I'll go buy another pouch of SWR and smoke on that until it's gone. I'll do this until that particular jar of MacB, say Scottish Mixture (the blend I'm currently picking at) is finished, then I'll move on to a SWR and a jar of MacB Golden Extra (or whatever) rotation.

That reseal is really tight, so the tobacco isn't going to get ruined while I alternate between the SWR and the MacB blend in question. It works pretty well for me. The empty jars get stashed in a storage cabinet and the metal lid insert gets discarded. When I get enough jars built-up, I'll order another pound of something or other to use as a work horse smoke and run the jars through the dishwasher so as to exercise the ghost of the previous blends, slap in new lid inserts, fill them up and cellar them, and I'm good to go.

I use a similar strategy on my high end blends, and am currently rotating between three different Latakia blends. I had cracked open a jar of MacB Solent Mixture, and smoked on that until I got bored. Then I cracked a tin of Dunhill Standard Mixture. Smoked all of that, and then opened some Pete Old Dublin. Once that's gone I'll go back to picking at that jar of Solent Mixture. No doubt I'll get bored again, and go for a tin of Dunhill MM 965. Rinse and repeat until the Solent Mixture is all used up, then I'll crack a jar of something else. (I'm getting an itch for a Balkan blend, so maybe a jar of PS Balkan Supreme).
 

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RTOdhner

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The empty jars get stashed in a storage cabinet and the metal lid insert gets discarded. When I get enough jars built-up, I'll order another pound of something or other to use as a work horse smoke and run the jars through the dishwasher so as to exercise the ghost of the previous blends, slap in new lid inserts, fill them up and cellar them, and I'm good to go.
Now that I think about it, I guess really do suffer from TAD. I have enough tobacco to last me for a decade or so, so why order a new pound of anything? Cuz I can, I guess. Besides, who knows when the nannies may finally close that mail order loophole and all I'll be able to get (or afford) locally is SWR.
 

#39
Haha, if you equate a barrel of wine to a pound of tobacco, you might have a closer comparison. Yes, in that instance, I would pour the wine from the barrel and put in a bottle with a water tight cork.

Also, if tobacco was sold in mason jars to start, I wouldn't move it to another container; point being wine already comes in the best known container for that product - tobacco does not. ;)
My simple point...
Maybe this will help. Next time you open a sealed package of tobacco and distribute it to jars (assume sterilized), why not take a small vacuumed can of (oh let's say) fruit cocktail, place it in the same sort of container (as you did with the tobacco) and put those two jars (tobacco and cocktail) in you cellar. Give both about a year and let me know about the changes.
Now, purchase a 2 oz or 4 oz sealed tin of tobacco and a sealed tin of fruit cocktail and place them in the cellar as well. Give them the same year. I think you will be much more pleased with the results of the second group.
ps, I have to wonder about the cost of tobacco sold in mason jars.
Interesting topic yall. I cellar and enjoy lots of tins of tobacco in their original containers. ;)
 

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